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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 15, 2010 9:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

Sure nobody dies... eventually though, does anyone know what real performance, real talent is all about? Just lamenting the state of music... or is Lady Gag really talented and I'm just an old fart?

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Poster: BataviaSparky Date: Nov 15, 2010 5:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack) an inflammatory and somewhat insulting response

Don't pay attention if you don't like it! It's got nothing to do with 'the state of music'! it's friggin' entertainment! More power to the folks who were smart enough, creative enough, and talented enough to pull this thing off. I am intrigued as hell to see and hear a virtual Jerry get off on stage with Hendrix, Eminem, Jack Johnson, who the fuck ever!

Get off your crusty old high horse and keep up with the world.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 15, 2010 6:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack) an inflammatory and somewhat insulting response

No . I will stand astride and refuse to be implanted with microchips . Or have my human need for contact through fantasy or manipulation with computers . I can't think of any other limits , or snarky things to write at the moment . I do like your change in the title . A nice heads up . And it fits your post better . ;-)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 7:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack) an inflammatory and somewhat insulting response

You'd probably have been in line to protest the advent of cinema as devaluing the experience of live theatre.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 15, 2010 7:38pm
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A Luddite I am not .
The eternal debates under the subject , the philosophy of aesthetics , is the next stop in this conversation .
I can't keep up .
Manana . I forgot how to do the squiggle .

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 15, 2010 9:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

uj , always listen to Camille ( that would be Ms. Paglia to you ).

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/public/magazine/article389697.ece

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 9:23am
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I doubt that there's a definition of 'real talent' that absolutely everyone could agree on. I've got very little time personally for the so-called 'reality' and 'talent' shows that infest the tv schedules and which have precious little of either in my view, but I can't deny that there are large numbers of people who find these things entertaining.

Anyway, Lady Gaga's talent (or lack of same) has nothing to do with whether or not you're an old fart...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 15, 2010 9:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

The linkage is not correct between uj's old fart-ness and the Gaga . But maybe , uj , the Luddite in you ( if i may be so bold , sir ) , and the Gaga does have a linkage . Camille says it so well ( I love Camille ).

"Most of her worshipers seem to have had little or no contact with such powerful performers as Tina Turner or Janis Joplin, with their huge personalities and deep wells of passion.Generation Gaga doesn’t identify with powerful vocal styles because their own voices have atrophied: they communicate mutely via a constant stream of atomised, telegraphic text messages. Gaga’s flat affect doesn’t bother them because they’re not attuned to facial expressions."

I'll save the ending .

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

"Most of her worshipers seem to have had little or no contact with such powerful performers as Tina Turner or Janis Joplin"

Couldn't this have been written about Madonna and her fans 25 years ago? I am pretty sure i recall many scathing comments about her at the time by critics. I wonder how many now admit to calling her a no-talent. If you don't like pop music then you will never get the mass appeal of the talents of Lady Gaga. That doesn't mean the talent isn't there, it is just not being used in a way that you like. I think Madonna is a great example of how there was a whole lot of talent behind the young woman singing about being like a virgin. You discuss The Beatles, but i don't think they were that different. Were, I Want to Hold Your Hand, Help!, Love Me Do, Please Please Me and all the other early hits of the British Invasion really any more socially redeeming than what Lady Gaga does? The Beatles evolved to be the band you speak of, and despite that, they were still doing songs like Octopus' Garden on their very last album. My 11 year old heard this song for the first time this weekend and was completely appalled. "Why would anyone write a song about an Octopus, it makes no sense?" I am not sure he accepted my response, that all songs don't have to make sense and it was okay to sing about a silly fantasy. I am sure he now thinks The Beatles were some no-talent pop band and will go back to listening to whatever it is that 11 year olds listen to these days.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 15, 2010 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

Tarantino - love him or hate him, but I couldn't forget this dialogue:

first lines]
Mr. Brown: Let me tell you what 'Like a Virgin' is about. It's all about a girl who digs a guy with a big dick. The entire song. It's a metaphor for big dicks.
Mr. Blonde: No, no. It's about a girl who is very vulnerable. She's been fucked over a few times. Then she meets some guy who's really sensitive...
Mr. Brown: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... Time out Greenbay. Tell that fucking bullshit to the tourists.
Joe: Toby... Who the fuck is Toby? Toby...
Mr. Brown: 'Like a Virgin' is not about this sensitive girl who meets a nice fella. That's what "True Blue" is about, now, granted, no argument about that.
Mr. Orange: Which one is 'True Blue'?
Nice Guy Eddie: 'True Blue' was a big ass hit for Madonna. I don't even follow this Tops In Pops shit, and I've at least heard of "True Blue".
Mr. Orange: Look, asshole, I didn't say I ain't heard of it. All I asked was how does it go? Excuse me for not being the world's biggest Madonna fan.
Mr. Blonde: Personally, I can do without her.
Mr. Blue: I like her early stuff. You know, 'Lucky Star', 'Borderline' - but once she got into her 'Papa Don't Preach' phase, I don't know, I tuned out.
Mr. Brown: Hey, you guys are making me lose my... train of thought here. I was saying something, what was it?
Joe: Oh, Toby was this Chinese girl, what was her last name?
Mr. White: What's that?
Joe: I found this old address book in a jacket I ain't worn in a coon's age. What was that name?
Mr. Brown: What the fuck was I talking about?
Mr. Pink: You said 'True Blue' was about a nice girl, a sensitive girl who meets a nice guy, and that 'Like a Virgin' was a metaphor for big dicks.
Mr. Brown: Lemme tell you what 'Like a Virgin' is about. It's all about this cooze who's a regular fuck machine, I'm talking morning, day, night, afternoon, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick.
Mr. Blue: How many dicks is that?
Mr. White: A lot.
Mr. Brown: Then one day she meets this John Holmes motherfucker and it's like, whoa baby, I mean this cat is like Charles Bronson in the 'Great Escape', he's digging tunnels. Now, she's gettin' the serious dick action and she's feeling something she ain't felt since forever. Pain. Pain.
Joe: Chew? Toby Chew?
Mr. Brown: It hurts her. It shouldn't hurt her, you know, her pussy should be Bubble Yum by now, but when this cat fucks her it hurts. It hurts just like it did the first time. You see the pain is reminding a fuck machine what it once was like to be a virgin. Hence, 'Like a Virgin'.
Joe: Wong?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 15, 2010 2:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

Man , I am surrounded . I'm hit ! Give my love to Camille .

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 3:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

You going down on... sorry with, the battleship?

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 15, 2010 3:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

P.S. - do I get Forum bonus points, or win the chiffarobe, for starting today's liveliest thread?

;)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 3:19pm
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No - the actual thread was started by buscameby, you and I are mere Johnny-come-lately hangers on. Thus does true genius go unrecognized...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 15, 2010 12:20pm
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"Couldn't this have been written about Madonna and her fans 25 years ago? I am pretty sure i recall many scathing comments about her at the time by critics."

Yes and if I'm recalling correctly Paglia among them.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 12:29pm
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Much of the Beatles canon is as finely crafted as any music anywhere. Help! is one of the grandest, most life affirming pop songs ever written, 'socially redeeming' be damned (and thank whatever you thank that the Grateful Dead didn't attempt to cover it). McCartney at least rarely forgot that his prime purpose was to entertain (Lennon could be a pretentious miserabalist).

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 15, 2010 12:30pm
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I think we are on the same page on this one. I was just pointing out that the Beatles didn't change the culture by being socially redeeming, at least not initially. They were cute English boys who sang extremely well crafted pop songs or caucasianified versions of songs like Twist and Shout. I personally have no problems with thinking of the band this way and I don't think Paul did either. Isn't that what the song "Silly Little Love Songs" was about? The aforementioned Octopus' Garden kind of tells us where Ringo was. George and John might have been going a little deeper, however i think that was long after they had secured their places in music history and after the beatles were pretty much finished as a band.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 1:36pm
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Oh yes, I think we're definitely in agreement. The Beatles changed things not by being socially redeeming but by giving people something that, up to that point, they hadn't even known they were missing but suddenly instantly wanted (which is, I guess, the holy grail of marketing).

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 15, 2010 12:50pm
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"where Ringo was....."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LwyCHhbxOM

"Get Ringo, he's got a great tune!"

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 15, 2010 1:46pm
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Just so you know that not all is lost in the colonies:

My son and his friends bought Rockband the Beatles a couple months ago and, I gotta tell you, that's all I heard from the basement for hours at a time. They knew all the words! Songs I hadn't thought about for 30 years. Who knew? Now they're on to Green Day, but that's another set of ear plugs.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 15, 2010 10:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

Call me what you will – Luddite, old fart... I like it REAL. I want salt on my eggs, garlic in my soup, butter on my pastry. I will pay to hear real talent.

To micah, yes, I much enjoyed your Gag(a) review, Camille entertains and is spot-on. Gaga is only one example of the flood of non-talent that we're bombarded with and people are lapping it up. No wonder we listen to 40 year old music and appreciate it like fine vintage wine.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 15, 2010 10:23am
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It's all been downhill since that white truck driver from Tupelo shook his hips on Ed Sullivan. Disgraceful! It will lead to miscegenation and the corruption of our fine Christian youth.


How many folks that criticize Lady Gaga have actually listened to her?

And I think Paglia is full of shit on most topics. BUT I like to read her, just like I always like to read Christopher Hitchens, who I also often end up disagreeing with. In truth, I think Paglia and Lady Gaga share a lot in common in how they grab the spotlight.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 10:30am
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Once again I find myself on the side of the devil.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 15, 2010 10:32am
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Curses! I will not take on Rob, cuz he's right.

My fault for using Gaga as an example... I have heard two of her "songs" and they are cleverly crafted drivel. I'll give her credit for showmanship, but I'd rather see the circus.

Twas ever thus - marketing drowns out talent. If JG emerged on the scene today, would we even know it?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 15, 2010 10:34am
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A friend of the devil...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 15, 2010 10:43am
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Why doesn't anyone pick on the Sufi's or the agnostics or the Gnostics . ? ;-)

And speaking of Mr. Hitchens , an article from yesterday .

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/nov/14/christopher-hitchens-cancer-interview

And I thought it was all downhill since Caligula ( all those Senators wives , ect.), or earlier perhaps ?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:11am
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Wow, he does not look good.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:16am
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He's looked worse.

Christopher-Hitchens.jpg

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:20am
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Point taken :)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:10am
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Well, if you search around some threads, you'll see me "arguing" that it all went down at the Council of Nicea -
Here it is:
http://www.archive.org/post/286156/whats-so-damn-atheistical-about-the-dead

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:16am
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When the thread pops up , BAM . That's a great image for that thread . And sadly , how true it is . Some pissed off people in that thread . But what did momma say ? Don't talk religion or politics in public .
I like what Ghandi said . It's something I'm going through in my life at the moment . Boy , I love the baby Jesus Christ , it's all the damn Christians I can't handle .
Except you Bill .

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Nov 15, 2010 9:49am
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" . . . their own voices have atrophied: they communicate mutely via a constant stream of atomised, telegraphic text messages. Gaga’s flat affect doesn’t bother them because they’re not attuned to facial expressions."

sad, but true . . . so well put

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 10:14am
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Well put? Absolute diamond encrusted bollocks more like. This is just pop music we're talking about, assembly-line, hard marketed pop music, like 99 per cent of that genre. There's no reason at all for getting in a strop and accusing the people who like it of being braindead pop-zombies just because you don't get it. Paglia's outrage is as manufactured as Gaga's music.

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Nov 15, 2010 10:51am
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" Paglia's outrage is as manufactured as Gaga's music." - true enough. They both have their jobs to do and they each are extremely good at what they do.

"There's no reason at all for getting in a strop and accusing the people who like it of being braindead pop-zombies just because you don't get it." Rob, who's 'getting in a strop here'? I happen to agree with whole heartedly with your response - except for this part. It's awful presumptuous on your part to assume i "don't get it", having spent a lifetime of producing and presenting contemporary art and music - including pure pop, with a strong bent and preference for the cutting edge and avant garde. I think it's because I do get it that I feel comfortable in my opinion that her work - well conceived for her audience, and mightily marketed - is well polished veneer.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:32am
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For what little it is worth, my 9 year old daughter thinks her music sucks. Then again, this is the same kid planning on playing ABBA's "Money, Money, Money" at her upcoming music recital.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:29am
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Hey, if you think this is me in a strop you don't, as Bugs Bunny said, know me too well.

:-)


Seriously though, it's my fault for not writing clearly enough. My remarks were directed at what Paglia was saying, not you. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:36am
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Rob, I'm cool - not a problem.

I'm not a fan, nor a regular detractor of Miss P. Critics write, often with the intent to piss somebody off.

I just read the whole review - she (CP) does have an over-the-top style of writing - and it seems she has plenty of axes to grind.

Blanket statements are rarely, if ever, a good idea ... and they seem to be a part of her MO.

But, as regards to the Dead. I must say, it was your comments, Rob, that finally got me to listen to the Wembley Halloween '90 show. Night and day difference from the next night - the band was tighter, the energy was much, much stronger, and Jerry's voice (at least, at first) and his guitar playing had spark and enthusiasm. The Help/Slipknot/Franklin's immediately brought a smile to my face. . . . I had a pass to both nights, but I gave my 10/31 to a drummer friend who loved it. I could never understand his heady enthusiasm after seeing the 11/1 show . . . I do now.

It was TDIH 11/15/87 at Long Beach, that I last saw Jerry play with such fire, enthusiasm, strength and, above all, joy. He smiled a lot throughout the show - even did that wry, raised eyebrow thing a few times. The band was equally on. The last time I walked out of a dead show satisfied - down to my bones.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 15, 2010 10:26am
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I don't think so .
In one corner , a professor at The University of the Arts in Philadelphia , with a huge work of history accredited to her ( Sexual Personae ). An independent mind that many publishers that would kill for to have her write a weekly column , instead of once a month ( except August and December ). A woman around so much cool art and creativity it's wiki away time .
And in the other , the gaga .
The Beatles were pop music . They influenced the culture . Talk to parents of young teens , especially girls , about the gaga . They are the one's passing the diamond encrusted bollocks .

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 10:47am
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Get a grip, fanboy. They're both in the entertainment business.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 15, 2010 10:55am
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I'm with ya this time Rob.
First, Camille Paglia is hardly "America's foremost cultural critic" - please. "For two years, I have spent an irritating amount of time trying to avoid Gaga’s catchy but depthless hits" - really? I don't spend any time trying to avoid them, yet I couldn't identify one if you played it for me right now. I don't find her particularly hard to avoid - maybe I would if I had teenage girls.

"Lady Gaga is a manufactured personality, and a recent one at that."
So is every performer. The Dead are a little out of the norm on that point, which is maybe partly why we love them, but performers manufacturing a personality, and making their looks over outlandishly, is hardly new. Public appearances scripted? Heavens, not that.

The end of the sexual revolution? Camille Paglia has been hankering to say that for a long, long time. The death of sex, can you say not bloody likely.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 15, 2010 1:40pm
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Who the heck is this person? I've never heard of her? Are we in the boonies up here in the Great NW?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 15, 2010 2:51pm
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She is one of the foremost cultural critics of our time . One of the true free thinkers .
(This will make some gag.) She is kind of Mark Twainish .

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 15, 2010 3:02pm
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And where does one go to be enlightened by her wisdom?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 3:08pm
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Oh haven't you got it bad...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 15, 2010 6:05pm
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rob , I said love . Are you seeing blinders or something ?

Diamondhead is a cool place . I believe D , if you enrolled in The University of the Arts in Philadelphia , you could receive this wisdom directly .

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 6:52pm
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The only blinders I see are the ones you're wearing.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 15, 2010 7:04pm
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Best laugh of the day .

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 15, 2010 7:59pm
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No one has answered my question. And I refuse to look her up. :)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 15, 2010 7:37pm
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Oh goodness, Micah, you do need guidance ... I think she's yucky.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 1:44pm
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I wouldn't worry about it. She's just an over-egged intellectual who's not as cutting-edge influential as she or her acolytes would like to think.

Oh, and by the way, is your name a Phil Manzanera reference?

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 15, 2010 3:03pm
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Nah - nothing so intellectual. Diamond Head = Leahi. And I lived in Honolulu for 6 years. And I am sentimental. Plus it has Head in it. Voila.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 15, 2010 3:18pm
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Diamond Head Market & Grill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love that place....




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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Nov 18, 2010 12:01pm
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"Diamond Head = Leahi. And I lived in Honolulu for 6 years. And I am sentimental. Plus it has Head in it. Voila"

I thought your name meant that you were some kind of super freak---like a Plaitnum Card member or something:

"Attention, fellow freaks, John from Spokane, just downloaded and traded his 1500th show. This, coupled with his achievements in psychedelic ingestion, hygenic ignorance, and groovy-grilled-cheese alternate production methods, entitles him to Diamond Level benefits. These benefits include..."


TOOTMO

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 3:09pm
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Fair enough. We're all of us tied in to our cultural references - which is not to say that it's no bad thing to have our boxes kicked every now and then.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 15, 2010 7:35pm
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No you're not missing anything.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:00am
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Throw your fellow Philadelphian under the bus Ring . She is a cultural critic . Part of what she does is engage in youth culture . Of course , she would come across this gaga , as chances are we wouldn't .
Now , on the other hand , the '74 Edmundson PITB is our thing .

The GD are somehow out of the norm ? Then could others be ? Who ?

Your last point is a long discussion . Sunday brunch over coffee long .

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:18am
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I don't really care for her, no. I can't recall off the top of my head the last thing she did or said that I found outrageous, but I agree with Rob that being outrageous is really her main point most of the time.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:05am
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Thank you, D. Much appreciated.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 15, 2010 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

No , one is a teacher , and one is an 'entertainer' . Cynicism just doesn't hold on some surfaces .

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 10:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

Are you seriously telling me that the Sunday Times, or any other paper, would pay Paglia to educate rather than entertain its readers? She gets signed up because she's a rent-a-mouth media tart who can be guaranteed to stir up controversy and outrage as soon as the contract is signed. Somewhat like Lady G...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

Over Ms. Pagila we disagree .
Thinking beyond C.P. , is all media that is created and brought before the public to be sold , whorish ?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

The very fact that you refer to 'the gaga' and 'Ms Paglia' is rather revealing of your partisan approach.

And in answer to your question - it's all commodification.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

I proclaimed my love for Ms. Paglia above . Of course I am partisan .
Commodification , pithy .
I still have a part of me that's a hopeless romantic . Hope I can die with it too .

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

Hah. I'm just hopeless...

:-)

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 15, 2010 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

Thank- you sir for the word dance .
That is why you , indeed , are the wordsmith .

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 2:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

"I yam what I yam, and that's all what I yam."

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

White youth, black youth
Better find another solution
Why not phone up Robin Hood
And ask him for some wealth distribution

Punk rockers in the UK
They won't notice anyway
They're all too busy fighting
For a good place under the lighting

The new groups are not concerned
With what there is to be learned
They got Burton suits, ha you think it's funny
Turning rebellion into money

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 15, 2010 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Speaking of avatars (non-dead hijack)

Sweet boy. You know how fond I am of that one.